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it's amusing that you have no educated response to the facts I've presented. Good day, sir.
I'm not sure if you don't read what's already been posted or if you just don't care. However, it has been widely-accepted public knowledge nationwide that these union-busting attempts have absolutely nothing to do with budgets and the arguments from union members have nothing to do with money either. Allow me to briefly reiterate the facts. Workers have the fundamental right in the workplace to have their voices heard. Historically, that is the only way improvements with safety and other areas have been made. You seem to mock safety concerns, perhaps you would like to educate yourself on the history of the American Labor Movement and the countless numbers of people who lose their lives in tragic workplace incidents every year. Again, the current battles over worker rights are about keeping their voice on the job, not making more money. And as a matter of fact, that right is guaranteed to workers in Missouri by the state constitution.
In addition, I'm not sure if you're paying attention to current events. Unions are far from dying, my friend, and membership is actually growing in response to these political attacks from the far-right. Not only is union membership on the rise, but politicians across the country who are waging war on the middle class are facing severe consequences in the form of an end of their political careers thanks to the voters. Quite frankly, the more condescending you and other conservatives are in your speech about working class people and the unions they need to help them survive, the more galvanized they become. You see, your un-researched point of view and harshly apathetic words only serve to strengthen the very organizations you want to see crippled. The more people in this country feel attacked by the right, the more they will come together and fight like never before for their survival. We've seen only the tip of this iceberg.
God bless ignorance, I suppose.
I would like to correct one fact that was misrepresented by whoever was involved with reporting on this story.
"...One piece of legislation Hodges referred to is Senate Bill 202, which requires authorization for certain labor unions to withhold fees from paychecks to make political contributions."
That is partially true, but with about ten minutes of actual research on SB 202, it would have been revealed that this is nothing less than a Wisconsin-style attack on public employees and their unions. The House version of this bill (HB 466) is far less aggressive, but the Senate version would actually eliminate payroll deductions for union dues. Why is that so bad, you may ask. It's political maneuvering and a true starve-the-beast tactic. Anti-labor politicians and their corporate backers know that if they affect the flow of voluntary resources to a union, they can deliver a crushing blow to anyone standing in their way to unchecked political power.
So, this is not just about limiting political contributions, it's really about attempting to destroy unions - which is really the people and workers. Also, keep in mind that although Missouri is not a right-to-work state, this bill is aimed at public employee unions where membership is voluntary. These folks choose whether to pay dues or not, and this bill attacks the rights of those who have chosen to pay them. Even far-right Tea Party supporters should be skeptical of government intrusions such as these simply on the basis of infringing on a person's individual liberties and freedoms.
No, statistically all employees make far less in right-to-work states and those which are labor-unfriendly. Everyone, not just union workers...you too. The dues that public employees in Missouri pay are moderate, and the members who pay them see the value in the resources they are providing collectively. Without their union, they would have absolutely no voice in the workplace and no chance to improve conditions and safety. Remember, in the current economy this isn't about fighting for better pay or benefits - workers everywhere are sacrificing and taking concessions in those areas - this is about workers keeping their fundamental right to come together and organize for other improvements at work.
The simple fact that you find no shame in identifying yourself with one of these low-lifes just goes to show you what's wrong with this area.
I'm sorry, Graceful, but I have to call you out on this one. I thought "Praying" did a nice job responding to the topic and article at hand, while you only sought to attack a political ideology of which it appears you know very little.
Please tell me, how exactly is socialism responsible for what Wall Street did to our economy. And also please tell me how socialism is responsible for the oil and food speculators who continue to make millions upon millions of dollars when we pay more at the gas pumps and the grocery store. So, when greedy corporations run us into the ground and speculators make millions when I pay more to fill up my car....we call that socialism? Ok, so what exactly is the definition of capitalism then, because I must have the two mixed up.
The facts are simple...Wall Street and huge corporations who have evaded taxes are the ones responsible for running our economy into the ground. That is an irrefutable fact, period. Now, the only question that really matters is what to do about it. Do we make those responsible for the problem fix it, or do we force those of us who had nothing to do with it pay for it? Please think before you respond, everyone, because if you make less than $250k per year the answer is pretty simple.
At first when I saw the headline I thought, "that's great..." remembering a similar experience when I was in grade school. However, the limo ride and lunch out was a reward for placing high in an academic decathlon, not for selling something. I just think the bar may be set a bit low around here, and we should probably look at events like this to see how the students are benefiting academically.
I'm glad to hear that! If you think about it, any employer that pays the bare minimum they can get by with or just a bit above and doesn't provide benefits, is contributing to this problem. Naturally, I don't think students who work part-time need much more than minimum wage, but anyone working full-time absolutely does. Not providing benefits means those benefits must be purchased individually and paid for out of the already low paychecks these folks receive. In most cases, they simply can't afford to buy insurance, so they go without. Now we have a person who not only qualifies for general welfare assistance and food stamps, but also a person who qualifies for Medicaid and will probably have to use it.
I understand many businesses truly can't afford to pay their employees better or provide benefits. However, Wal-Mart is certainly not in that category. Their top people make 500 times what the average store associate makes, and they have a nasty habit of keeping most people scheduled for 30 hours each week so they can avoid having to provide benefits. If there was ever a business who could afford to provide better pay and benefits, it's Wal-Mart.
Some may say, "oh sure, pay them more and our prices will go up!" Not true, at least it doesn't have to be true. When a business is raking in record earnings in the middle of the worst recession in our history, I don't know about you but I don't really believe they're hurting for money. If they raise prices after giving moderate raises and paying benefits, we can be certain that it's only because their greed wants to maintain the millions flowing into their own pockets.
I'm glad we agree on the issue of at least paying someone enough to live on so they don't have to be a drain on government assistance programs. I think it's just sick when businesses expect the general public to subsidize their workforce. I hope we could agree about all businesses doing what they can to provide their employees with a living wage...something a family could actually live on. I know many businesses simply can't, but there are several who can and choose not to.
It's been a great debate, rock1953, and I appreciate the civility we've maintained. Cheers.
You're right, Graceful, the cost is much more.....but it's jobs not dollars that it's costing us when we shop at Wal-Mart. Just do a quick Google search for some facts about this corporation's history if you don't believe me. Keep in mind I used to shop there and I am a former employee of the store, many years ago. So much of what I'm telling you is not only based on solid facts that anyone can research but also first-hand knowledge.
You're also right about capitalism, to some extent. However, what part about Wal-Mart's history do you not understand? Fair competition...Wal-Mart...really? Those words aren't even known by their executives, and that principle isn't in their business model. I'm not suggesting socialism, so let's not reach from one extreme to another please. Take some deep breaths and go back and read over what I've posted earlier. My posts are filled with solid and irrefutable facts that can easily be verified by doing proper research, but I understand not everyone will want to accept them even when staring them in the face. That's ok, we don't have to agree. Thanks for the debate.
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