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It's called being open-minded, but I appreciate your christ-like response. It reaffirms the beliefs I do hold.
The belief that religion is fundamental to morality is bogus. More people have been killed in god's name than any other reason. Besides, you've only seen one side of the issue, how can you know anything about what it's like to not be brainwashed? You were raised that way.
I also think it's funny that you're saying non-religious people like myself are selfish, when what we were originally arguing about was that I believe people should act more cooperatively and you arguing they should act more compet1tively, ie selfishly.
Also, this will be my last post on the subject. I have more productive things I could be doing, like bashing my head against a brick wall.
Christianity and all religions are just means to social control, of which you have clearly allowed yourself to be subjugated to. Free your mind and the rest will follow.
You can't just say that Police and Fire departments are socialist programs "as that term is understood". If those are not socialist programs then you have a misunderstanding of the term.
Last time I checked this was the UNITED States of America. If we don't work together there is no society. Cooperation is the foundation of our success as a species, turning our backs on that is suicide. Your pessimistic view on the human condition is irrelevant in the context we're talking about, but it does tell me more about your world view.
Also, the American people are not the most generous in history, we are the most paternalistic. We use aid to maintain cla55 systems and allow ourselves to keep 3rd world countries from revolting while we pillage their natural resources, and we use welfare to keep our own poor placated.
Also, just an FYI, here are the dictionary definitions of socialism and liberalism. They do not mean the same thing or even imply the same thing. To even suggest that liberalism is a euphemism seems to be a blatant attempt to distort what socialism means and link it to the conservative effort to make "liberal" a bad word.
Socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Liberalism - a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic inst1tutions to a55ure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
PS - The word filter on this site is ridiculous. That's why I had to use number subst1tutions.
Yeah, that book doesn't sound like it starts off with a biased perspective, but I'm sure it told you exactly what you wanted to hear.
A recent study showed that Wikipedia is as accurate as Encyclopedia Brittanica. I agree that Wikipedia shouldn't be the only source someone uses, but it's often an excellent starting place and in the case of spreadsheets of national debt spending the information is footnoted and comes directly from the government itself. Perhaps I should I have linked to the government site as well, but it doesn't invalidate Wikipedia as a useful or reliable resource.
Socialists are the enemy of the U.S.? Really, what about England and other European countries? Are they hostile towards us? Socialist policies fail every time they are tried? Really!? I'm pretty sure the public library system still works, so do police departments, fire departments, etc, and like I said I think many countries in Europe would disagree. I think we have a difference of understand on what socialism means. To me socialism generally means a recognition that we're all in this together. We're all Americans, if we can help each other and share resources then we should do it because what is good for you is good for me. Yet somehow all the people who are the first to proclaim their pride at being American are the first ones unwilling to share to help their less fortunate fellow Americans. So that's what socialism means to me and is my understanding of it, maybe you can explain what it means to you exactly?
Actually, you should probably get YOUR facts straight. Government spending has actually DECREASED by 2.3% under Obama, George Bush INCREASED spending by about 4% every year he was in office. The deficit is still growing under Obama since it's still way over-budget, but it's growing less rapidly than at any point under Bush. The deficit went from $5.7 trillion when Bush took office to $10.4 trillion when he left. It currently stands at $10.9 trillion. You can find all of the details on Wikipedia under "National debt by U.S. presidential terms".
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