Tuesday, December 21, 2010
It’s been less than a month since Fulton’s smoking ban took effect, and some residents are looking for ways to repeal the controversial new law.
Deby Fitzpatrick, owner of B&N Accounting, in Fulton, is working with other local businesses to get the nearly 800 signatures needed to repeal the encompassing ban.
“What we have in the petition is a request to reverse (the ban) — not to amend it, but to get rid of it,” Fitzpatrick said. “It’s primarily because of the way that it’s written and also because it puts the business owners in the place of being policemen.”
Fitzpatrick’s accounting firm works with many of Fulton’s businesses.
“They can’t even sit on the deck at Post Office Bar and Grill and smoke,” she said. “Because you can’t be within 15 feet of a door entrance, air conditioning unit or anything that could bring the smoke in, there is one corner of the deck where you can smoke there. That’s why there’s a blue-tarped smoking booth out there.
“The law is just too constrictive — to confining.”
The 15-foot rule is a point of contention for Fitzpatrick who noted that 15 feet from a door in her business is the middle of 5th Street.
“You can’t even stand on a city sidewalk and smoke,” she said. “Normally that is considered a public right of way. We’re doing this because the ban not only takes away more rights than necessary, but business owners have to become the police. That’s just not fair to them.”
Fitzpatrick said if the city’s government had written and wanted the law, she and others would find it more acceptable, but the law was drawn up by an outside group.
So she worked to get the necessary paperwork together for her current petition, which is in local bars and restaurants that requested it as well as smoke shops in town.
“We want to see it repealed. They are wanting to do a smoking ban statewide,” she said. “All the states north of us have done it, and we don’t want it here. Part of the packet is for city-registered voters. There is a sheet for county and state-registered voters.”
Fitzpatrick also included a voter registration card in the packets for people who want to sign the petition, but haven’t registered to vote yet. She said many who own businesses in Fulton are not Fulton residents, so they were not included in the voting process.
Fitzpatrick has seen a lot of support for her efforts.
“There’s a lot of people all over the region chomping at the bits on this one,” she said. “A lot of people are up in arms. I don’t think it will be hard to get 800 signatures.”
Fulton Director of Administration Bill Johnson said the city has not received a lot of complaints about the ban, which took effect on the first Saturday of December. He said the primary complaint they have gotten is over the law’s wording regarding smoking in vehicles on company time.
“People think it’s a little strict,” he said.
Johnson was aware of Fitzpatrick’s attempt at a petition. He said that all signatures on the Fulton ballot must be from Fulton registered voters and any signatures from county residents living outside of Fulton would be thrown out.

Comments
Who_Cares 2 years, 5 months ago
It really doesn's matter who wrote the ordinance as it was voted on by residents of the city and passed. I believe the people have spoken, and their will should be respected. It sounds to me that the same small vocal group of citizens that were against the ban to begin with are behind this initiative. If they are successful in their venture, I hope the citizens of our city are successful in defeating any initiative to repeal the smoking ordinance.
fultonian 2 years, 5 months ago
I don't think the supporters of the original ban really knew the impact the law would have. For example If you're the owner and sole employee at a business run out of your own home you can't even smoke there. Knowing more of the details of the ban I think people should be given a second chance to make an informed decision. After all you said yourself the will of the people should be respected. So if the people want to overturn the smoking ban then their will should be respected, and if the people still want smoking banned they can vote the repeal of the ordinance down.
Bucky 2 years, 5 months ago
Since the police have stated that they will only enforce the ordinance if someone makes a complaint, I guess you would have to turn yourself in if you are smoking in your own home business. Boy, I will bet that will make you mad at yourself. You probably won't talk to yourself for a week after doing that to yourself.
rock1853 2 years, 5 months ago
Where do I sign?! Tell me I can't smoke in my car on break? Tell me I can't even puff on an electric vaporizer with no second hand smoke? Tell me I have to keep walking down the sidewalk and not stop to look at a display? Bring on the repeal!
Bucky 2 years, 5 months ago
I hope the petition fails. We went to eat at the Mexican restaurant the other night and it was so nice not to have to smell the smoke rolling out of the smoking area. Awesome.
chad 2 years, 5 months ago
No one ever forced you to eat at places that allowed smoking. You could have chosen to not patronize those establishments, and voted with your wallet.
gzc721 2 years, 5 months ago
You are right, we don't have to patronize those establishments. But here is my problem - NO ONE asked me if I wanted to breathe in second hand smoke and possibly wind up with lung cancer, asthma, or other breathing disorders. How about I send you the doctor bill for that stuff. Smoking destroys the taste of food when all you can taste is an ash tray. I think the law needs to change if it really is that radical that you can't smoke in the street, but this is a good thing and it is fair to everyone. Go smoke outside where it isn't constricted inside of 4 walls and killing everything around.
newone 7 months ago
The government telling people were they can and can not smoke is horrible but it's ok for the goverment to tell a women what they can and cannot do with her own body and it's ok for the goverment to tell someone who they are allowed to marry? You are such a hypocrite Graceful.
newone 7 months ago
And your right, cigarrete smoke doesn't kill anyone I guess!
rock1853 7 months ago
Not even close to being apples to apples.
ThePatriot 2 years, 4 months ago
The smoking ban was not voted on because of health. It was passed because some people think it is a public nuisance. You will not find not one article in the fulton sun by anyone who say's we are doing this for your health.
You will not even find a independent study on smoking that say's it causes lung cancer, asthma or other breathing disorders from 2nd hand smoke.
If 2nd hand smoke was as bad as you try to make it then the OSHA would have stop this years ago. The thing is the OSHA could never find enough evidence that enough chemicals.
Please do your research.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Actually we do have the research on the chemicals and we know what they do and the government has been telling people for decades. Do your own research.
Bucky 2 years, 4 months ago
Funny, I thought when I went into the Mexican restaurant and enjoyed a meal I was voting with my wallet. I will bet that business has been better for the restaurants since the ordinance passed, what do you think?
RayJames 2 years, 5 months ago
fultonian - have you read the ordinance? It realy says you cannot smoke in your own home ? If you do not have employees the local ordinance does not restrict what you do in your business.
If you are refering to not being able to smoke in your home if you are a State approved home daycare provider you cannot smoke under state regulations. Nothing to do with a local ordinance.
fultonian 2 years, 4 months ago
Ray, I have read the ordinance and I'm afraid you're mistaken on this one. Here is a quote from the city administrator Bill Johnson that was posted in the fulton sun a week or two ago about a Q&A session that several business owners attended regarding the ordinance. A question was asked about being hte sole owner and employee in a business.
"If you are the sole (service) provider, it applies,” Johnson said. “If you operate a tax service out of your home, it applies. If you call a plumber, your house has become a place of business (while they are there) and you can’t smoke.”
fultonian 2 years, 4 months ago
I've heard this theory as well, and whether it's right or wrong that's how the ban was interpreted so that's how it is. I'm not sure if the ban supporters knew that's how it would be interpreted but that's what you get when you ask the government to solve your problems for you.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
I think we solved the problem for ourselves. You still have to turn yourself in or the person who is patronizing your business. Not highly likely this will happen on a one on one basis.
ThePatriot 2 years, 4 months ago
On 12-03-2010 they had A discussion session intended to answer questions from local business owners regarding the new indoor smoking ban in Fulton.
Q. Does the smoking ordinance applies to businesses where there are no employees. A.If you are the sole provider, it applies, If you operate a tax service out of your home, it applies. If you call a plumber, your house has become a place of business (while they are there) and you can’t smoke.
Like it's been said a lot of people did not know what they was voting for. Please research b4 you post.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
and... you have to turn yourself in by making a complaint to yourself. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Maybe more research is needed on your part.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
Round and round we go and where we stop we all know...10 feet under with tar in our lungs and clogged arteries in our hearts. I'll tell you what's a disgrace... 60,000 people a year dying from smoking related illnesses. Has anyone ever seen a smokers heart sliced and diced in front of their eyes? What you have to do is squeeze the arteries until the white pus comes out. That's the goo that sticks to the walls of your arteries and kills you and the people around you... slowly. Doesn't that get your heart thumping just reading about it? Breathe it in breath it out, breathe it all over your children at home if you like, you're only basically murdering them.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
It's about time someone took the matter seriously, yes, since the smokers themselves will not.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
You what would be hilarious? If we actually did all vote with our wallets... it's clear the majority of voters are in favour of the smoking ban. I'm sure it would be quite detrimental to these establishments.
fultonian 2 years, 4 months ago
I'm not a smoker, so I don't frequent restaurants that don't have decent non-smoking sections, and if they are full then I don't eat there. That's called voting with your wallet. It is about letting capitalism work the way it should. I hated the fact that the crybabies whined out in full force and banished smoking from all places of employment. Some they probably don't even patronize. The fact of the matter is you DON'T have the right to breathe clean air if you willingly enter a business that allows smoking. I can understand banning smoking from government buildings and places you HAVE to go. But no one has to work anywhere they don't want to, and if second hand smoke was that detrimental to your health OSHA would have set limits for it. This is another classic case of society becoming weaker and whinier than ever. Why can't people just toughen up? Where have all the real men gone?
MichelleHohlt 2 years, 4 months ago
I second that comment, and I am a smoker. If I go t a certain place to eat, and they have a no smoking rule I don't have a problem with it and will still eat there. I just like having the choice that's all.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Of course you like the choice, like a drug addict likes having the choice of taking more drugs. Restaurants and bars have been identified in numerous studies as places where bans can have the most impact on the nations health. If smokers and business owners are unhappy with the bans cropping up all over the country then theyve noone to blame but the smokers themselves for not tackling their own addiction.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
The 'real men' like my uncle died slowly in hospital over the course of a week, of cancer of the oesophagus related to their smoking habit, while their 2 year old son and wife watched helplessly. Fact. I just wish more people could understand that this cancer called smoking needs to be rid from our society. Yes it is capitalism working at its best when big cigarette companies can market a product they know will kill the consumers and everyone just turns a blind eye. This is going to be my last online comment on this subject of the smoking ordinance (thank God). I will wait until it comes back around and vote to keep it in force and there is nothing anyone can do to change my mind or that of anyone else who has seen this cancer ruin the lives of the people around them.
ThePatriot 2 years, 4 months ago
Every variety of tyranny rests upon the belief that some persons have a right—or even a duty—to impose their wills upon other people. Tyranny may be fastened upon others by the mere whim of one man, such as a king or dictator under various names. Or tyranny may be imposed upon a minority “for their own good” by a democratically elected majority. But in any case, tyranny is always a denial—or a misunderstanding—of the mandates of an authority or law higher than man himself.----If you’ve never heard of, or been introduced to, the concept of self-ownership, it can be hard to understand—even though the concept is quite simple. By conditioning, many people erroneously believe we have a master.----The first thing everyone must do to be free is to truly understand the philosophy of liberty—to become fully freedom conscious----Why do Americans meekly stand by and allow their government to limit or eliminate their choices? Almost every thing in life involves some risk and we make choices whether to accept those risks or not. In America, more than anywhere else, you would expect people to have the right to make their own choices.----More than anything, America is an idea. America is an idea founded on the belief that man was born with fundamental rights—not privileges given to us by government. All personal decisions should be the complete responsibility of the individual. If we are adults, we, and we alone, should make our own choices about any and all ‘potential’ risks. Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty, or give me death!” He did not say, “Give me complete safety, or give me death.”
Bucky 2 years, 4 months ago
Actually, Patrick Henry said, "Give me three packs of Pall Malls, and one of those Bic lighters over there." The clerk said, "We are all out of Pall Malls." To which Pat replied, "Give me Liberty Stix Electronic Cigarettes (TM) or give me death."
Of course, over the years the quote has evolved into what you stated.
whatif 2 years, 4 months ago
To ThePatriot - amen to that. Finally someone who gets it. I also want to ad that life is about choices and for every choice you make you are responsible for that choice, and even if you decide not to choose, that is your choice and you are still responsible for it.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
Well Mr Patriot (I'll call you Joe, since we are all patriots as far as I can see) I suggest you go back to the drawing board and rewrite your system of government since it is the will of the majority that is in fact 'imposed' on the minority and that is how the system works. If you have a problem with that I suggest you leave and go start your own chaotic country somewhere else.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
I think that one's been through the courts already
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
Not true, if the law hadn't been written so vaguely and with so much ambiguity then there would be no need to take it to court. It isn't beyond the power of your elected official to move to have it changed. It's great to see how enthusiastic you are about your own system of government.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
That's funny I just read another post where you defended your democracy and here you say it is lost. Make up your mind.
rock1853 2 years, 3 months ago
You can lead a horse to water but may not get them to understand the constitution.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Wow you are really messed up if you think the system of government in America is like Nazi Germany or Iraq under Saddam.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Oh yeah, the issue of abortion is also alot more tricky than a simple smoking ban. I think it's only right any laws on abortion go through the courts. Who stands up for the rights of the unborn on the matter? The State does because they actually do have that duty.
rock1853 2 years, 4 months ago
No more driving, no salt, no eggs, no fries. Teacher (malmark) we don't need your education. If you don't like smoke then don't go where it is, it's as simple as that. I don't like animal scents so I don't go to the salebarn, the humane society, or the dog pound. It's really easy you should try it!
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
I don't like smokers lighting up. Ban works for me thanks.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
I really think all the comments opposing the ban on here are irrelevant. You too rock1853, if I see you smoking near me or my kid I'll send you to the principal's office.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Not so, I'm quite entitled to.
rock1853 2 years, 4 months ago
We're gonna repeal it anyway just like the health care bill. If you don't want to be around cigarette smoke then don't go where it is. Pretty simple. Real it is.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Hows that repeal of the health care bill going? Looks like all show and no go.
rock1853 2 years, 4 months ago
Know what I would like to see. Why not post your receipts from the businesses that were affected. Tiff's? Killa Brews? Post Office grill? VFW? How's many others allowed smoking? Be sure to take your child there also seeing as there is no second hand smoke to be concerned with.
malmark 2 years, 4 months ago
Thanks but I don't need you stalking me so I'll have to let you down on that one.
rock1853 2 years, 4 months ago
Not seeing how receipts has anything to do with stalking. I'm not gonna patronize those business because you will stalk me? Really? Wow.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Wouldn't want to bump into you in a dark alley while your subjecting yourself to first and or second hand smoke.
farmerguy 2 years, 4 months ago
we are all a little bit dumber because yall wont shut up about this topic, there is a real world out. It saddens me that 95% of all the comments are about ban this and ban that.... Blah blah. How about for every negative thing you post find something good to post. tell one our local sports teams good job, send support to someone struggling. try to be somewhat optimistic.
dooey 2 years, 3 months ago
Ahhh geez, Farmerguy, I can appreciate your post, however that is not what this particular article and comments are about. Where on this site would folks post about this ban and that ban other than this article? Seems the ban is more directed to establishments that serve food on a regular basis. Who goes into Gidley's to have a smoke? And if someone cannot stop smoking long enough to go to a restaurant and eat, stay home and eat. Mike and Laura's and other places such as theirs should be exempt from this period and Post Office should be able to serve those that just can't go there without smoking to be allowed outside on the deck to smoke, and not inside their built.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
How's that repeal working out for ya rock1853 hahaha
rock1853 2 years, 3 months ago
Not so well. But don't worry. We are organizing better for next year. How have your trips to the Killa Brews, Mike and Laura's, Karen's gone? How much have you spent on those establishments? I'm guessing none and never will.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
That's okay rock1853 I'm still taking comfort in the fact that noone can smoke in these establishments.
ThePatriot 2 years, 3 months ago
To Malmark,Bucky,Who_Cares. You demand people OBEY you and buy into your self-imposed drama, and dogma, and your anti-freedom stance. Whether they want to submit to your authoritarian demands or not. And if they don't obey? Then your stance is they should be punished. Your thinking is divisive. It's anti-freedom
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
you give me way too much credit. I am just one voter. The majority of the voters are the ones who are stomping all over your freedom. Brohaha!! Those eeviiillll voters! (say that with a sinister voice, you know, kind of like Simon Lagree.) Those people voting their wishes have ruined America!!! We are no better than the Nazi's. Or the Communists! Or maybe the Romulans.
Now that's drama.
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
So, you would say, "When the people find they can vote themselves a healthier lifestyle (that is, smoke free zones), that will herald the end of the republic"? Absolute silliness. The people voted to not have to smell like an ashtray just to go out of their houses. You guys are way overdramatizing it and you look silly doing it. Go ahead and bring on your 'repeal'. If it gets enough votes, fine, but I am betting that it will fail. But quit acting like democracy in action is the end of democracy.
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
And if by some chance, the people of Fulton vote to approve your repeal, well, I will start a petition to repeal the repeal. And of course I will spend a lot of time in the meantime on this webpage bemoaning the death of our freedom and the end of America as we know it because you guys passed a measure to return smoking to restaurants against my wishes.
rock1853 2 years, 3 months ago
How many people actually read the document before voting? I'm guessing very few. If I'm correct in assuming this then the yes vote was out of ignorance, not reality. People didn't know about smoking in cars, or their homes, or e-cigs. I'm pretty sure if the voters were more informed this would not be happening. Love the Romulan reference btw.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
If you think your representative doesn't read the bills before voting on them you are very misinformed indeed.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Wow, you are really misinformed.. looks like you believed the republican propaganda that they don't read anything before voting on it. Basically what you are saying is the majority of the people in Fulton are dumb because they didn't read the ordinance. Don't let them know your real name, wouldn't wnt to bump into one on the street.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Ahem, let me just do a line by line dismissal of everything you have just said. No I do not demand people obey me, I demand people obey the law as it was voted on democratically. Some people say democracy is dead or democracy is destroyed in this country, I say those people are wrong. For example, if Graceful is truly afraid by the apparent ability of the voting majority to vote for whatever they want, then I say democracy is working just great! The problem is not that people are free to vote, the problem is that people have to be educated enough to make the right decisions when they do go to vote and I feel Fulton voters have made the right informed decision. I do not "demand people buy into" anything I say and I don't believe I am dramatising the fact that there are at least 60,000 people dying of smoking related illnesses a year. Apparently some people in your crowd, Joe, believe that 60,000 people is just a drop in the pond. I think I can check off one of my new year's resolutions now that I have given these people a voice. I will vote to keep the ban in place each and every time as it is my right to vote in this city, my duty to those people, to my children and the generations to come. I encourage anyone and everyone who reads these posts to go out and do their own research, make their own mind up and come back enlightened with the knowlege that smoking kills you and the people around you. Of course, I could have everyone opposed to me rounded up and shot quite easily, if I truly was authoritarian and had that much sway, but I'm afraid I'm not, I actually do believe in democracy and besides that...it's just not my thing to go round shooting people. You know if Fulton had decided not to implement the ban I'd still be on here giving out stink, but I wouldn't be crying that the country is broken and that we were living under an authoritarian regime. I'd be upset that voters just weren't educated or motivated enough to make a more informed decision. After all... this isn't Nazi Germany guys.
ThePatriot 2 years, 3 months ago
Freedom is making a come back in Fulton, MO. Its citizens are no longer laying down in the face of oppression, suppression, and tyranny. Repeal The Ban
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
Ban the Repeal!
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
Which part? The freedom of speech part (where I say what I want) or the humor part (where I laugh at the overdramatization)??
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Graceful what do you care whether it's anti-democratic or not? You don't believe in democracy, you said so yourself and if anything other than democracy is un-American then whatever you believe in, you are un-American yourself by your own definition.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
"Graceful 1 week, 6 days ago What is there to be enthusiastic about? The fundamental structure had a few flaws in it and people found away to abuse them. In that long process we lost democracy. It is worse now than when England ruled." You do not believe in the democratic system of government that is in this country. Your conception of what democracy is is flawed.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
whatever.. funny, I'm the 'foreigner' and I'm the only one here defending your system of government... wow... never thought I'd see the day. I don't think there's anything structurally wrong with the democratic system in this country. The only thing I don't like are lobbyists. But you can't really get rid of them either. I think our current system is the lesser of all the evils out there. Ban the lobbyists!
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
Don't you mean anti-multibranched oligarchy and therefore anti-American?
I don't want to ban freedom of speech, but I would like to require a sense of humor for every citizen of this multibranched oligarchy. But I guess that is just a pipe-dream.
Bucky 2 years, 3 months ago
I am sure if they mandated a sense of humor for every citizen you would be able to resist successfully. So, I don't really think it would be required, but it certainly is desired.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
It's required that you put clothes on before you go outside ;)
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
I don't understand Graceful's post but I do agree everyone needs a sense of humour!
ThePatriot 2 years, 3 months ago
This is Fulton Missouri, a City founded on the principals of freedom, the free enterprise system and individual rights. We don't need nannies telling us how to live our lives and make our personal choices for us. If you don't like a place which allows smoking, then don't go in. There are plenty of places you can go which don't allow smoking. If you don't like Fulton, don't try to change it! Just leave.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
eh FYI this city wasn't founded on the principals of freedom. I suggest you go back and do some research.
rock1853 2 years, 3 months ago
Can you tell us what it was founded on? If you know then it would save time.
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
No I'm trying to teach you to be more motivated to go find out things like the truth for yourself. That appears to be your problem.
ThePatriot 2 years, 3 months ago
The Anti-Smokers have become sneakier. They know they're being watched not just by Big Tobacco but by smokers who've been angered by their lies and by nonsmokers who have awakened to the general threat to freedom that their Crusade represents. They still lie, but their lies usually take the form of clever exaggerations, various language tricks, or simply selective presentation and juxtaposition of information.
I challenged these Anti-smokers to provide proof of just one death caused by second hand smoke, and I Bet they can't do it. The truth of the matter is that the in depth, scientifically studies on the matter will Show No deaths, none, can be directly linked to second hand smoke, so please stop posting this lie!
These anti smoking groups and their leaders will make any exaggerated and unsupportable claim they wish in their crusade to impose their personal visions of decorum on the rest of us.
ThePatriot 2 years, 3 months ago
Educational tool to debunk misinformation and exaggerations about active and passive smoking. .forces.org/Scientific_Portal/
malmark 2 years, 3 months ago
Thanks for the tool, I found this surgeon general report on your site from 2006 confirming everything I have been relaying about the dangers of smoking and passive smoking. ht-tp://w-w-w.data-yard.net/science/reports/sg_fullreport_2006.pdf
Wow.. they've been saying it since at least 1986 and have the evidence to prove it and some dumb people still don't comprehend.
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